New promise, awkward moments: 5 takeaways from Harris and Walz’s first interview
WASHINGTON — Vice President Kamala Harris and her running mate, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, on Thursday gave their first sit-down interview since President Biden withdrew from his reelection campaign July 21.
The interview with Dana Bash of CNN was recorded Thursday afternoon in Georgia and broadcast the same evening. Here are some takeaways:
Harris continues pivot to the center
The interview provided more evidence of Harris’ turn toward the center — both in tone and in policy — in the month-plus since she was elevated to the top of the ticket.
The biggest new promise during Thursday’s interview: appointing a Republican to her Cabinet if she is elected. Presidents often do this, but it seldom amounts to a true team of rivals.
This week’s Democratic National Convention was about generational change, but the middle-class rhetoric coupled with an incremental policy agenda rekindled the Clinton era.
Then-President Obama, for example, chose former Rep. Ray LaHood, an Illinois Republican, as his Transportation secretary, a relatively low-profile and less partisan post. But the selection did send a message that Obama was willing to work with Republicans and might even boost their hometown transportation needs, one of the most valuable political chips a president has.
More significantly, Obama also retained former President George W. Bush’s Defense secretary, Robert Gates, for more than two years, a meaningful gesture for a country that was growing weary of its involvement in two wars.
Neither Biden nor former President Trump appointed opposition members to their Cabinets. Trump, in recent days, has announced plans to seek policy advice from former Democratic Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii and Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the anti-vaccine activist who suspended his presidential campaign to endorse Trump. But both Gabbard and Kennedy have been outspoken critics of the Democratic Party.
Gabbard left the party in 2022 to become an independent. Kennedy withdrew from the Democratic primary last year to forge an independent bid, accusing both parties of corrupt leadership. He tried to meet with both nominees before issuing his endorsement last week but was rebuffed by Harris.
Harris, on her shifts in positions: ‘My values haven’t changed’
The moves to the center from Harris have drawn accusations of flip-flopping.
Harris previously called for a fracking ban, universal healthcare and decriminalization of border crossings. She is disavowing those positions and promoting a conservative, bipartisan border bill — endorsed by Biden and killed under pressure from Donald Trump — as a central campaign promise. Last week’s Democratic convention painted her as a tough prosecutor in California, another shift from her emphasis on police reform when she ran in 2019 for the party’s presidential nomination.
“The most important and most significant aspect of my policy perspective and decisions is my values have not changed,” Harris said Thursday.
As an example, she pointed to the Green New Deal, a series of expansive measures favored by progressives to combat climate change. She no longer supports it, but said that “the climate crisis is real. That it is an urgent matter to which we should apply metrics that include holding ourselves to deadlines around time.”
Harris, a Californian who calls climate change an ‘existential threat,’ has prioritized investments in clean energy jobs and environmental justice.
Harris sometimes came across in the CNN interview as evasive. She did not directly explain why she changed her views on a fracking ban, but said that she made the shift in 2020, during the general election, and has not wavered since.
Trump took issue with that. “She’s admitting she’s still as dangerously liberal as ever,” his campaign said after an interview excerpt was released.
Trump has his own baggage with flip-flopping. He has held multiple positions on abortion over the years, before promising to appoint Supreme Court justices who overturned the legal right to the procedure. And he reversed his support for banning TikTok this year after receiving large campaign donations from the company’s investors.
How will voters react? The two candidates’ supporters haven’t complained. All that’s left is a small slice of uncommitted voters, who tend to pay less attention to politics until the election draws nearer.
Some awkward moments
Harris sounded shaky answering the first question, a softball about what she would do on Day One if elected, reverting to slogans.
She said she would “strengthen the middle class” and offer “a new way forward,” while praising Americans for being fueled “by hope and by optimism.” She got more specific after that, referring to her economic plan that would probably require congressional approval for policies such as expanding the child tax credit and offering more money for first-time home buyers; such efforts would take much longer than a day to accomplish.
Why hasn’t she done this stuff already?
Harris answered one of Trump’s biggest critiques, why she hasn’t fulfilled her campaign promises over the last 3½ years, while sitting in the vice president’s office.
“First of all, we had to recover as an economy,” she said after discussing Trump’s handling of the COVID-19 pandemic when he was president.
Vice President Kamala Harris, in a speech in North Carolina, promotes a broad set of economic proposals promising new tax breaks and to lower costs for consumers.
She pointed out that inflation has been brought down below 3% but acknowledged that prices are still too high for many Americans. Inflation is a top concern of voters, according to polls. So Harris has been careful to acknowledge the hardship and has promised to do more, even as she defends the administration’s economic record.
She also went on offense, pointing out that the Biden administration has capped prices on insulin and other prescription drugs for senior citizens.
Trump made the same promise, she said. “Never happened,” she said. “We did it.”
More interviews to come?
Harris’ sit-down interview came more than five weeks after Biden dropped out of the race, leaving her the nominee.
Now that the pressure is off, she may do more. That would serve voters, many who say they don’t know Harris well enough.
It could also help Harris politically. She was able to reveal more of her personal side, describing the emotion of seeing her grandniece watch her at the convention, for example.
This was hardly riveting television. But the more she speaks in less scripted settings, the more practice she gets and the less effect a single gaffe or misstatement might have.
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